Make Grá The Law

On the 22nd of May the people of Ireland will decide whether or not we will grant full marriage equality to same-sex couples. (Grá is the Irish word for love and rhymes with law, hence the slogan). It’s hard to think of a more straightforward issue than this. If two people love each other, they should be allowed to marry each other. What right does anyone else have to prevent them from expressing their love? It doesn’t do any harm or affect the rest of society in any way at all. It’s simply a matter of equality, giving gay and lesbian couples the same rights as everyone else.

For most topics, there are two reasonable sides and while I usually fall on one side, I can admit that I can see where the other side is coming from. Marriage equality is one of the few exceptions. Even the No side themselves seem aware that there isn’t really any genuine grounds for opposition so instead talk about irrelevant topics or that while they have no problems with the Yes sides argument, they don’t like their tone. Some of the more hysterical even claim that the Yes side are destroying democracy and civilisation as we know it. David Quinn seems to think that the fact that people disagree with him is an attack on the freedom of speech and totalitarianism is around the corner. Twitter, too has plenty paranoid comments about the dangers of a Yes vote (the “scandal” of a Garda registering people to vote being the most recent) but this mostly shows why you shouldn’t spend too much time on Twitter (you start to suffer from cabin fever).

It is a sign of how far Ireland has come that no one has suggested that there is anything wrong with homosexuality. The catechism of the Catholic Church may say that homosexuality is “intrinsically disordered” and the Bible may say that homosexuality is an abomination that must be punished with death, but no one, not even religious people, suggest this is true. While most of the groups and spokespeople opposing the referendum are religious, there has been a striking lack of religious arguments in the debate. Even the Iona Institute is avoiding religious arguments and relying almost solely on secular reasons. The Catholic Church too is unusually silent. It seems that what God or the Church may want is not considered relevant or persuasive.


Nor can anyone give a reason why we should prevent two people who love each other from getting married. The No side knows this and has completely avoided talking about marriage and has instead focused on children. In particular they have rallied around the slogan of “Every child has a right to a mother and father”. As slogans go, it’s very good and has a strong emotional appeal. But in terms of policy, it is meaningless. How are we supposed to enforce this right? Does it supersede other rights? Should we criminalise single parents? Ban divorce? Force all widowed single parents to remarry so as not to violate their child’s right? All of these scenarios sound absurd, but how else would this supposed right be enforced? The fact is that the slogan looks great on paper but is meaningless in practice.

The No side is putting all its emphasis on children as it seems to believe that this is the weakest spot. But marriage and children are two separate issues. Not every same-sex couple wants children, in fact, we have no idea how many will adopt (it could be large or small). But by definition children who are adopted are those missing a mother and father, so adoption by a same-sex couple would be giving these children two loving parents instead of none. Another argument is about surrogacy. I agree that surrogacy is a very messy issue, but it’s just as messy for straight couples as it is for same-sex couples. Voting No will not make the issue any clearer for anyone. While the No side can dream up absurdly complicated scenarios, the fact is that surrogacy is an option taken by a tiny number of people.

For all the sloganeering of the No side, they have yet to explain what a man and a woman can do to raise a child that two men or two women can’t. My father does the cooking and laundry and my mother shovels shit from the horse’s stable, so I don’t believe there is some magic line dividing what men or women can or can’t do. Nor is there any evidence that being raised by same-sex couples is in anyway damaging to children. The Irish Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (ISPCC) has even endorsed a Yes vote, saying it would further their goal of ensuring all children are equally loved and valued. Considering the difficulties that LGBT children go through, a Yes vote would send a strong message that there is nothing wrong with them and they are equal to everyone else. The Irish Association of Social Workers (IASW) also endorsed a Yes vote. The guidelines of the Psycholgical Society of Ireland, state that “Empirical studies have failed to find reliable differences between the children of same-sex and heterosexual couples”.


One of the world’s oldest and most respected medical journals, The New England Journal of Medicine also endorsed marriage equality writing that

“Same-sex marriage should be accepted both as a matter of justice and as a measure that promotes health. . . . Many same-sex couples are now raising children, and the health of those children demands that their parents have the full rights and protection of marriage.”

The American Psychological Association too has stated that

“there is no scientific basis for concluding that gay and lesbian parents are any less fit or capable than heterosexual parents, or that their children are any less psychologically healthy and well-adjusted”.

In fact they believe that denying marriage to same-sex couples stigmatises them and causing stress and negative mental health. By providing marriage equality, not only is no damage done, but there are even many positive benefits gained.

I could sit here all day quoting the number of studies that show that children raised by same-sex couples are no worse off than those raised by opposite sex couples. Here are some recent studies and here is an overall literature review by the American Psychological Association. It concludes that

“there is no evidence to suggest that lesbian women or gay men are unfit to be parents or that psychosocial development among children of lesbian women or gay men is compromised relative to that among offspring of heterosexual parents. Not a single study has found children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged in any significant respect relative to children of heterosexual parents.”

The essential point is that contrary to the No side’s fear mongering, two men or two women can raise a child just as well as one man and one woman. These children are just as well developed and don’t suffer from any difficulties regarding their gender identity. Children of lesbian mothers are as likely to be masculine and heterosexual as children raised by heterosexual parents.

But all this talk of adoption and surrogacy is frankly irrelevant as it has been covered by the Children And Family Relationship Bill 2015. Regardless of the result of this referendum, same-sex couples will still be able to adopt and surrogacy will still be an option. Voting No will have absolutely no effect. If you disagree with the rules on adoption and surrogacy in Ireland, then contact a TD, as these are legislative issues, not constitutional ones. Voting No to marriage equality will have as little effect on adoption and surrogacy as voting No to lowering the Presidential age (the second referendum to be held on the same day).


Another argument is that marriage equality is redefining marriage. This is wrong for two reasons. First of all, marriage was never simply about sex and children, marriage is defined by love. After all, marriage proposals and weddings emphasise love, not procreation (married couples say “I love you” far more than they say “I want your babies”). If marriage is about procreation, should couples who are infertile or don’t want children be prevented from marrying? My parents don’t want any more children and have finished raising myself and my sister, so is their marriage meaningless? Is marriage not the ultimate symbol of love or is it just a baby factory?

Secondly, the fact that marriage changes is not a bad thing. Marriage used to mean the wife was the property of the husband and must obey his every command. At one time, marriage between people of different races or religions was as unthinkable as marriage between two people of the same gender. During the 60s in America, racists opposed “redefining” marriage to allow blacks and whites to marry and used surprisingly familiar arguments.


The No side is doing everything it can to whip up hysteria about the horrors that will befall us if we pass marriage equality. But we’ve heard this all before. During the debate over civil partnership in 2010, the very same people issued grave warnings about how disastrous this would be. David Quinn warned that “We’ll pay a heavy price for allowing same-sex unions”. He warned that it was

“arguably the most serious attack on freedom of conscience and religion ever seen by this country”

and “it will treat belief in traditional marriage as a form of prejudice, to be outlawed under certain circumstances.” The Iona Institute too warned that

“belief in traditional sexual morality and traditional marriage will be treated as a form of prejudice to be punishable by law under certain circumstances.”

Yet none of that happened. The social conservatives are like the boy who cried wolf, at every step away from Church teachings, from divorce to the legalisation of homosexuality, they have warned of chaos, yet this never comes to pass.

Another argument is that marriage is unnecessary as same-sex couples can have a civil partnership. However, there are 160 differences between a marriage and civil partnership (although the Children and Family Relationship Bill 2015 will reduce these) mainly in the area of the relationship of a child to its parents, access to social support and the family home. Without getting bogged down in legal details, essentially the “family” is given special protection under Irish law, but civil partnerships do not count as a family unit, only a married on does.

But far more important than the legal details is the symbolism. Would you like if you were denied the right the marry and had to accept a second best option? Would you be content if your love was deemed unworthy of marriage? Would you accept only a civil partnership while others had marriage? This referendum is all about equality and giving same-sex couples the same rights as everyone else. When Rosa Parks sat at the front of the bus, this wasn’t because there was anything wrong with the back of the bus, but because it was wrong to create a divide between people. Likewise, the biggest problem with civil partnerships is that it implies that same-sex relationships are inferior to opposite-sex ones. By voting for marriage equality, we can show that they are the same.

It isn’t always easy being LGBT. Many suffer from bullying, discrimination and exclusion by the rest of society. This can be especially difficult for teenagers still coming to terms with their sexuality and unsure if there is something “wrong” with them. By voting Yes, we can all say that there is nothing wrong with being gay and that same-sex couples are just as good as anyone else in society. We can give equal rights to all the citizens of Ireland. This referendum is about love and equality. Vote Yes.


This referendum won’t be won just on social media, but by going canvassing on people’s doors. I would strongly encourage everyone to find your local Yes Equality group here and get involved. I’ve been canvassing in Dublin Bay South and it’s been fantastic.


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24 responses to “Make Grá The Law

  1. Next stop: polygamy and marriage of all close relatives made rights under the law.
    I guarantee it’ll happen by the time I die.

    • nitya47

      Why would you immediately leap to this conclusion? Do you see this as the ‘slippery slope’? Has this sort of thing happened in the past? Perhaps you could give some examples.

      I’m surprised at the 160 points of difference between marriage and a civil union, Robert mentioned in the article. Perhaps these points of difference do not exist under Australian law. I have it on good authority that there’s no ‘actual’ difference in the two positions, though I could be quite wrong.

      The point to my mind, is that the participating couple WANT to get married. That’s the only relevant consideration. Consenting adults are hurting no one by their choice of partner. It’s the business of no one else and I think you should be mindful of that fact. Worry about your own life Pithom!

      If the Grá Law is passed it puts Ireland one up on Australia. Go for it! Perhaps the word will leak back here and we’ll be one step closer once we oust our current, loathsome, conservative government.

      • If you polled 10000 people in 1980, how many of them would say homosexual marriage would be considered by most Americans as something legitimate only thirty-five years later?
        It’s not a slippery slope. It’s the logic of the most common pro-homosexual-marriage case.

        • nitya47

          It’s called progress, Pithom. People no longer keep slaves or stone adulterers. Progress!

        • Except no one at all is in favour of incest or polygamy and there is no movement or group pushing for it. It’ll never happen.

          • And there were approximately zero advocates for homosexual marriage three quarters of a century ago.

            • Well if incest and multiple marriage ever goes to the vote, you, me and everyone else in the country can vote against it.

              • Even seventy years from now? By then, it’ll certainly be made law by the courts.

                • nitya47

                  I hate to see where your thinking processes are leading you. Because you personally don’t warm to the thought of same sex marriage you immediately project to a scenario even more unappealing in your eyes and assume this must be the ultimate trajectory. No? I’m surprised you haven’t come up with an analogy ( that’s the usual course of such arguments). However, there is no logical reason that this should follow.
                  These days people are not marrying their kin except in narrow faith-based circles like the Amish. It’s unlikely that parents will start marrying off the pre-pubescent children either; once again, despite the urging so of certain faith groups.
                  Can you see where this is leading? Contrary to your imaginings our move towards a secular based system of values is distancing ourselves from the customs associated with religious tradition. All in all a good thing to my thinking.

                  • “It’s unlikely that parents will start marrying off the pre-pubescent children either; once again, despite the urging so of certain faith groups.”
                    -This does happen in some Islamic countries (and used to happen quite often in the Far East), but, given the modern emphasis on “consenting adults” (which originated with libertarians, I think) I agree that this will not be legalized in America any time soon. What analogy should I have come up with?
                    “Because you personally don’t warm to the thought of same sex marriage you immediately project to a scenario even more unappealing in your eyes and assume this must be the ultimate trajectory.”

                    • nitya47

                      I forgot to add that polygamy would not appeal to many, save those of the Mormon or Muslim persuasion.

                      When one’s reasoning is unencumbered by faith blinkers it’s much easier to make decisions that are fair and equitable. Citizens are able to indulge in a certain amount of ‘tinkering’ in respect to established laws and practices. We can look at particular prohibitions and ask whether such is really necessary on a case by case basis.

                      If you were to look at past laws you’d be amazed at what seemed fair and reasonable at the time. By applying a modern day perspective we can see the injustice. At one stage it was unthinkable that people would be free to marry out of their own racial group. How ludicrous such a prohibition now!

                    • Muslims and Mormons may be tiny minorities, but it’s not like homosexuals aren’t just that, either.

                    • nitya47

                      Okay pithom, it’s important that I don’t create a strawman here, but I need to clarify what you are actually suggesting.

                      Are you making a connection between various minority religious groups and same sex attracted members of the population? By making this connection are you then suggesting that minority groups have unfair influence irrespective of their particular leanings?

                    • Can you elaborate what you mean by your question? Strong influence from tiny minorities is not necessarily unfair (look, for example, at the disproportionate impact atheists have had on supreme court decisions).

        • nitya47

          Atheists are not a tiny minority for a start, but that has no bearing on our debate so far. You are an American, are you not? The USA is a secular country! You enjoy the many benefits of NOT having the religious biases of other groups shoved down your throat, but have an obligation not to do the same yourself.
          If you want to impose your particular convictions on the rest of the community you would need to live in a theocracy. Would you like that? Think about what this actually means. Iran? Saudi Arabia? These countries do not advocate marriage equality or any divergence from the strict line of Islam. Would you like to live in a country that has the ability to put you to death for ‘thought crime’, ie not believing what you’re told to believe.
          I enjoy living in a secular, multicultural society myself. I abide by the law of the land and try to live an ethical life. My decisions are informed by my own conscience which is largely the result of my upbringing (one mercifully devoid of superstition I might add). I try to follow the injunction to ‘first do no harm’. Not a bad rule in my books.

          • “Atheists are not a tiny minority for a start”
            -They sure were in the 1960s and 1970s, when atheist influence on Supreme Court decisions was still surprisingly strong. Today, they number ~5% of the U.S. population.
            Yes, I am an American and an atheist. I agree with the spirit of what you say in this comment.

            • nitya47

              Well, I’m VERY surprised that you are an atheist!! In that case you’d be aware that before the ongoing ‘cold war’ saw fit to ramp up the religiosity in the U.S. collective consciousness, public life was really secular. Much more so than ours over here in the antipodes, where public school students started the day with Christian prayers. Things are very different now of course, though we still have not allowed for marriage equality despite the fact that the majority is in favourite of changing the law.

              • nitya47

                Sorry ‘in favour’. Spell check!

              • Before Engel v. Vitale, the U.S. had school prayer, too. I would not like to return to those days. How homosexual activism managed to convince most first-worlders to support homosexual marriage will be a curiosity that will be studied for generations.

                BTW, I have no strong feelings for or against homosexual marriage (why it is sometimes called “marriage equality” strikes me as bizarre). I’m just surprised at the rapid shift in opinion, and see no substantial difference from it and marriage between close relatives and polygamy.

                • nitya47

                  I detect a change in tone with your posts. I suppose I’m seeing more places for agreement now, though I still think it’s wrong to equate decisions made by consenting adults with those made in respect to close relatives and multiple partners (or underage participants, though you haven’t mentioned these).

                  In the case for gay marriage, where are the victims? Who is being hurt in such a union? No one, to my thinking. Otherwise marginalized members of the community are being included in the rites and customs available to all. How is this a bad thing?

                  The other possibilities you’ve mentioned have potential victims. Let’s take polygamy for example. When this state of affairs was in full swing, it left a large contingent of males with no prospect of ever finding a mate. It was not fair to the wives as they missed the close bonding of a one-to-one relationship.

                  In respect to marrying one’s close kin, the relevant factors would be the increased likelihood of genetic abnormalities, plus the possibility of undue influence by older relatives and an imbalance of power.

                  In these instances there are potential victims! So how are the two positions aligned?
                  In case you’re wondering I’m not gay, nor are any members of my family. I do have a couple of very good friends in this subgroup of society and they are in every way decent, law abiding citizens. So they don’t happen to fancy the opposite sex. So what?

              • BTW, is “nitya” the Russian term for “thread”? I think so, but I’m not sure.

                • nitya47

                  I came by my user name as it is the name of an Indian Goddess (so I’ve been told). My actual name is a derivation of this. The irony appealed as I have no belief in any gods or goddesses. I suppose it would do no harm to reveal my actual name, but I guess that is a decision I could regret in the future. So…no Russian connections; no Indian; Anglo Saxon through and through!

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